AdsDailyPro and AdRebatesPro are dead.
The admin, Diane Maasland, confirms this in an e-mail update.
I do not pretend to know exactly what led to this unexpected closure of the sites, and what the admin did, did not do or should have done.
I do have a general theory though:
It seems that more and more people are starting to learn how to play. Taking out your seed money with some profit early on is the only way to stay ahead in this business. Once the majority of members start doing this, programs that depend on member support (= member $$$) will die faster and faster.
I did not see this coming and am at a loss in both programs. By more than usual even - I went against my own advice and spent more in stead of less at ADP! At ARP, I did not even have time to get my seed money out, I only got 40% back.
I don't know if Diane plans on doing something for the members who lost. She sounds pretty 'broken' in her update and she will probably leave the business for good.
Too bad - and another lesson learned (again - because I already knew this!) : no matter how promising a program looks, play it as safely as you can!
As the more obvious games die out and are removed from my list, I will once again try to stick with programs that depend (or at least seem to depend!) on more than member support alone.
(I should not have let myself get tempted to join the big games again.)
donderdag 22 oktober 2009
woensdag 7 oktober 2009
PAC For All is closed
PAC For All is closed
I woke up to this sad news this morning.
I have learned (the hard way) how to stay ahead in these games but it is very saddening to see the animal-like behavior of some members (and even non-members!) in the forums at this time ......
They are ready to tear up the two wonderful ladies who ran the program, not placing any of the blame with themselves. Forgetting that nobody forced them to spend anything and that they were warned from the start that it was a game with no real outside income to support it. Ignoring how silly it is to pour thousands of dollars into such a game but they did anyway.
When members stop depositing, it is the end of the game. The ladies did not run with the cash - they simply ran out.
That is how these games go when honest admins run them. And they usually end up being called the most vicious names that they do not deserve.
The most disappointing thing to me is, that people who have been around a while are joining in the bashing. They should know better by now.
But unfortunately, some people will never learn. They are not cut out for this business but they refuse to see this and will continue with their unreasonable demands and empty threats.
Makes me think of kids on a playground ...... crying and screaming because they want their marbles back, after losing them to other kids in a game.
Maybe they truly are children posing as adults in the forums, who knows?
I woke up to this sad news this morning.
I have learned (the hard way) how to stay ahead in these games but it is very saddening to see the animal-like behavior of some members (and even non-members!) in the forums at this time ......
They are ready to tear up the two wonderful ladies who ran the program, not placing any of the blame with themselves. Forgetting that nobody forced them to spend anything and that they were warned from the start that it was a game with no real outside income to support it. Ignoring how silly it is to pour thousands of dollars into such a game but they did anyway.
When members stop depositing, it is the end of the game. The ladies did not run with the cash - they simply ran out.
That is how these games go when honest admins run them. And they usually end up being called the most vicious names that they do not deserve.
The most disappointing thing to me is, that people who have been around a while are joining in the bashing. They should know better by now.
But unfortunately, some people will never learn. They are not cut out for this business but they refuse to see this and will continue with their unreasonable demands and empty threats.
Makes me think of kids on a playground ...... crying and screaming because they want their marbles back, after losing them to other kids in a game.
Maybe they truly are children posing as adults in the forums, who knows?
woensdag 30 september 2009
WeNetProfits in the news again ....
There is a lot going on at WeNetProfits, because they are currently in the middle of a so-called "soft pre-launch" of a new residual system.
What attracted me the most to WNP was, that there is only a one time entry fee - which makes it affordable, even for poor recruiters like me.
Also, because of the 'follow your upline' system, you can cycle even with just one (very) active referral! I know, because this has happened to me!
Now the new residual system does have a monthly fee, and not a small one!
I am not going to hop in, because I know I would not be in profit any time soon and it would just cost me a lot of subscription payments (remember The Advertising Gold Mine?!)
So, do I still recommend WeNetProfits? Absolutely!
But I would go for the one time entry fee (only $50 + $9.95 registration fee) and stick with it. You could use your earnings to purchase a spot at the $100 level as well later on, but $60 to test the waters with no further costs is quite doable.
If I had not purchased a $100 spot as well, I would now have been in profit from the $50 level alone - with just one single direct referral!
The WNP presentation is extremely optimistic about your earning potential, indicating you could cycle with the same referrals several times daily. Even though this is possible in theory, I would not promise you that, because this only goes for people with a huge following. I have no lists, just a handful of people who like following my site and blogs - but I am making money at WNP!
My slogans for WNP: "refer one to break even" and "even I can do this" are still true and if you can spare the $60 fee and are willing to advertise the program, I think you could make some cash here.
Members need a SolidTrustPay account to participate.
Check it out and don't get lured in to the monthly fee system ok? ;) - unless you have a ton of people waiting to join under you, of course!
Go to WeNetProfits
What attracted me the most to WNP was, that there is only a one time entry fee - which makes it affordable, even for poor recruiters like me.
Also, because of the 'follow your upline' system, you can cycle even with just one (very) active referral! I know, because this has happened to me!
Now the new residual system does have a monthly fee, and not a small one!
I am not going to hop in, because I know I would not be in profit any time soon and it would just cost me a lot of subscription payments (remember The Advertising Gold Mine?!)
So, do I still recommend WeNetProfits? Absolutely!
But I would go for the one time entry fee (only $50 + $9.95 registration fee) and stick with it. You could use your earnings to purchase a spot at the $100 level as well later on, but $60 to test the waters with no further costs is quite doable.
If I had not purchased a $100 spot as well, I would now have been in profit from the $50 level alone - with just one single direct referral!
The WNP presentation is extremely optimistic about your earning potential, indicating you could cycle with the same referrals several times daily. Even though this is possible in theory, I would not promise you that, because this only goes for people with a huge following. I have no lists, just a handful of people who like following my site and blogs - but I am making money at WNP!
My slogans for WNP: "refer one to break even" and "even I can do this" are still true and if you can spare the $60 fee and are willing to advertise the program, I think you could make some cash here.
Members need a SolidTrustPay account to participate.
Check it out and don't get lured in to the monthly fee system ok? ;) - unless you have a ton of people waiting to join under you, of course!
Go to WeNetProfits
donderdag 10 september 2009
Changes in the PAC group! Only good ones :)
Allright - starting today things have changed in the PAC group.
Here are the updates from our dear admins, with a few comments/clarifications from me:
Update sent out to the members of PAC Revenue Share:
Hello Everyone,
We hope you are all having a great week. This is an important update, please make sure that you read it all.
Our rates have dropped steadily since the STP technical issues started and we have been brainstorming how to put new life into PRS and streamline our sister programs PAC and PacForAll (MG: which is a game).
We have come up with a few things. What we will accomplish with these changes is first and foremost, bring more members into PRS and the rate will gradually stabilise to something we all like.
The Success of our Sister Program, PacForAll, has inspired us to introduce a plan B into PRS. Just as we have have a successful HYIP, we need to have a surf with the most coveted plan in the industry. We are convinced, surfers will really appreciate to have a place to earn high profits too. And it will also boost Rev Share rates as you will be required to have at least a minimum of $5 in Plan A to be allowed to purchase in Plan B.
So effective today, we have a Plan B - which is 12x 12 paid on expiry.
(MG: upgrades at PacForAll will now also be paid on expiry in stead of weekly - small change there.)
Minimum is $5 Max $15K
PPs accepted, STP, AP, LR ,SP and PM.
RC 7% on First Deposit and 3% on all subsequent deposits.
Big Changes for the Rev Share Plan :
- Payouts will no longer be daily. We will pay once a week, on Wednesdays.
- Minimum is 14 % - Max 35% (MG: accumulated return for the whole week!)
- PPs accepted STP, AP, LR and SP.
No Fees.
All Fees paid so far will be added back to your accounts starting next week.
(MG: so we now have two different plans in PRS! The original revenue sharing plan with weekly payouts from now on and the new fixed return plan with payouts after expiry.)
Please read through carefully and understand that these changes will enhance PRS. Get the word out and invite your friends ! We are here to stay and build PRS into a real business for you all!
Be Successful!
Kazzy and EL.
Update sent out to the members of PremiumAdsClub:
Hello Everyone,
We truly hope you are having a fantastic day. A couple of important updates today.
1.Many of you have been pondering on how PAC will be wound down. We have given it a great deal of thought and have decided that the best way to do it would be to accept deposits till 30th September. (MG: it was decided earlier that the summer special, 10% for 12 days, would run until October 1st.)
2. Refunds (MG: when PremiumAdsClub round 1 ended, the ladies graciously agreed to refund all members not in profit!) - due to the amount of work involved, we have decided the best way to do it is to pay members in AdPacks in our sister site :
http://www.pac-revenue-share.com/?ref=MyGirl123
Please note that we will still refund in batches and in portions. However we anticipate it will speed up the process and at the same time, build our Rev Share Program for the benefit of everyone.
All members owed a refund, will therefore be required to sign up with: http://www.pac-revenue-share.com/?ref=MyGirl123
After a few days, we'll start the refunds. You do not have to purchase AdPacks to be paid your refunds. However, we have introduced a Plan B, the much coveted 12 x12, paid on Expiry and you may wish to participate. Our sister site, PacForAll.com (MG: which is a game) , is a roaring Success and we are sure, Surfers too will enjoy a safe place to earn on this popular plan!
The only condition we have is that you purchase the minimum of $5 in the Rev Share Plan to participate in the 12x 12 Plan.
http://www.pac-revenue-share.com/?ref=MyGirl123
To build our Rev Share Plan more, we have now done away with all the rules. (MG: woot!)
- No Minimum Deposit
- No membership Fees
- No Repurchase Requirement
- Payouts on Wednesdays
We look forward to have it all come together for all of us so we can get Refunds out of the way in the coming few months.
Have an awesome Day,
Kazzy and EL.
MG: I know changes aren't always well-received in this business but I can only commend these ladies for their tireless efforts to bring their members a good earning opportunity. This will work!
Here are the updates from our dear admins, with a few comments/clarifications from me:
Update sent out to the members of PAC Revenue Share:
Hello Everyone,
We hope you are all having a great week. This is an important update, please make sure that you read it all.
Our rates have dropped steadily since the STP technical issues started and we have been brainstorming how to put new life into PRS and streamline our sister programs PAC and PacForAll (MG: which is a game).
We have come up with a few things. What we will accomplish with these changes is first and foremost, bring more members into PRS and the rate will gradually stabilise to something we all like.
The Success of our Sister Program, PacForAll, has inspired us to introduce a plan B into PRS. Just as we have have a successful HYIP, we need to have a surf with the most coveted plan in the industry. We are convinced, surfers will really appreciate to have a place to earn high profits too. And it will also boost Rev Share rates as you will be required to have at least a minimum of $5 in Plan A to be allowed to purchase in Plan B.
So effective today, we have a Plan B - which is 12x 12 paid on expiry.
(MG: upgrades at PacForAll will now also be paid on expiry in stead of weekly - small change there.)
Minimum is $5 Max $15K
PPs accepted, STP, AP, LR ,SP and PM.
RC 7% on First Deposit and 3% on all subsequent deposits.
Big Changes for the Rev Share Plan :
- Payouts will no longer be daily. We will pay once a week, on Wednesdays.
- Minimum is 14 % - Max 35% (MG: accumulated return for the whole week!)
- PPs accepted STP, AP, LR and SP.
No Fees.
All Fees paid so far will be added back to your accounts starting next week.
(MG: so we now have two different plans in PRS! The original revenue sharing plan with weekly payouts from now on and the new fixed return plan with payouts after expiry.)
Please read through carefully and understand that these changes will enhance PRS. Get the word out and invite your friends ! We are here to stay and build PRS into a real business for you all!
Be Successful!
Kazzy and EL.
Update sent out to the members of PremiumAdsClub:
Hello Everyone,
We truly hope you are having a fantastic day. A couple of important updates today.
1.Many of you have been pondering on how PAC will be wound down. We have given it a great deal of thought and have decided that the best way to do it would be to accept deposits till 30th September. (MG: it was decided earlier that the summer special, 10% for 12 days, would run until October 1st.)
2. Refunds (MG: when PremiumAdsClub round 1 ended, the ladies graciously agreed to refund all members not in profit!) - due to the amount of work involved, we have decided the best way to do it is to pay members in AdPacks in our sister site :
http://www.pac-revenue-share.com/?ref=MyGirl123
Please note that we will still refund in batches and in portions. However we anticipate it will speed up the process and at the same time, build our Rev Share Program for the benefit of everyone.
All members owed a refund, will therefore be required to sign up with: http://www.pac-revenue-share.com/?ref=MyGirl123
After a few days, we'll start the refunds. You do not have to purchase AdPacks to be paid your refunds. However, we have introduced a Plan B, the much coveted 12 x12, paid on Expiry and you may wish to participate. Our sister site, PacForAll.com (MG: which is a game) , is a roaring Success and we are sure, Surfers too will enjoy a safe place to earn on this popular plan!
The only condition we have is that you purchase the minimum of $5 in the Rev Share Plan to participate in the 12x 12 Plan.
http://www.pac-revenue-share.com/?ref=MyGirl123
To build our Rev Share Plan more, we have now done away with all the rules. (MG: woot!)
- No Minimum Deposit
- No membership Fees
- No Repurchase Requirement
- Payouts on Wednesdays
We look forward to have it all come together for all of us so we can get Refunds out of the way in the coming few months.
Have an awesome Day,
Kazzy and EL.
MG: I know changes aren't always well-received in this business but I can only commend these ladies for their tireless efforts to bring their members a good earning opportunity. This will work!
maandag 24 augustus 2009
Forum Traffic is back!
At long last, the folks at Forum Traffic have finished the migration of all accounts ( a manual task ) to the new script. After they had checked and double-checked everything, we were finally allowed to log in and surf again yesterday.
Forum Traffic is no longer a fixed return program but has adopted the profit sharing model.
We have started out with very modest returns these first two days, but the administration expects the returns to go up starting today. This is today's update:
Dear 2704, (lol, that's my member ID!)
after the very low ROI right after the re-launch we are noticing, that the ROI seems to be rising due to new upgrades and some external earnings which we have received today. We cannot yet estimate the final ROI for today but we are confident, that the ROI will reach an acceptable level very soon.
Some further information:
The daily ROI is based on the daily income of ForumTraffic. This includes not only upgrades and ad sellig but also referral commissions which we receive from the sites which we promote at our front page.
If you are not yet sure if you can buy new ad-packs at ForumTraffic, you can help to rise the ROI by investing at one of the sites which we promote.
LG
Klaus & Team
I have been a happy member of FT since November 2007 (!) and the program has survived a re-structuring before. My position is one of luxury because I am in profit already, but I know this administration will do all they can to make the new system work.
If you want to take a look, feel free to use my link ;)
http://www.forumtraffic.biz/?ref=2704
Forum Traffic is no longer a fixed return program but has adopted the profit sharing model.
We have started out with very modest returns these first two days, but the administration expects the returns to go up starting today. This is today's update:
Dear 2704, (lol, that's my member ID!)
after the very low ROI right after the re-launch we are noticing, that the ROI seems to be rising due to new upgrades and some external earnings which we have received today. We cannot yet estimate the final ROI for today but we are confident, that the ROI will reach an acceptable level very soon.
Some further information:
The daily ROI is based on the daily income of ForumTraffic. This includes not only upgrades and ad sellig but also referral commissions which we receive from the sites which we promote at our front page.
If you are not yet sure if you can buy new ad-packs at ForumTraffic, you can help to rise the ROI by investing at one of the sites which we promote.
LG
Klaus & Team
I have been a happy member of FT since November 2007 (!) and the program has survived a re-structuring before. My position is one of luxury because I am in profit already, but I know this administration will do all they can to make the new system work.
If you want to take a look, feel free to use my link ;)
http://www.forumtraffic.biz/?ref=2704
zaterdag 15 augustus 2009
A heartfelt apology ...
Dear readers,
I have to apologize to you for my recent feeble attempt to become a successful recruiter by heavily advertising The Advertising Gold Mine.
My on line presence may suggest otherwise, but I usually don't have large downlines at all. Also, I don't maintain a list of contacts to bombard with new opportunities. I could, because many people contact me each week - but I choose not to. Why? Maybe because I don't like to be bombarded myself and I was taught to treat others the way I would like to be treated. Even the ones who specifically ask to be put on my list, receive an explanation that I don't have a list. They are free to contact me anytime about the programs I put up and they can track my site and blogs but I don't actively contact my 'contacts'.
However, this one time I did. I sent out an e-mail to over a hundred people, explaining to them why The Advertising Gold Mine was such a good deal. I am now sorry I did so.
This is part of what I just posted on MMG forum:
... this one is for good recruiters after all.
I was so excited about the idea of guaranteed cycling but without the earnings of every second / fourth / sixth etc bronze position, there is just no way my earnings can keep up with my subscription payments anymore.
I'm sure there are heavy hitters out there who are making a fortune from the renewal bonuses alone but I'm not one of them. I had 10 refs but I only have 6 left now. I have noticed the total membership drop from time to time (stats on home page) but I had not expected to be one of the people leaving ......
I am not a good recruiter at all - maybe I'm just too honest for that because I simply cannot hype up a program with a clear conscience, without knowing for certain what it will do for the ones I recruit. I am now sorry I even tried. And I'm sorry for the other non-recruiters I got involved here. Another lesson learnt - I stink at MLM!
So here it is: my heartfelt apology for attempting to drag you into 'the next best thing'. I promise it won't happen again.
I have to apologize to you for my recent feeble attempt to become a successful recruiter by heavily advertising The Advertising Gold Mine.
My on line presence may suggest otherwise, but I usually don't have large downlines at all. Also, I don't maintain a list of contacts to bombard with new opportunities. I could, because many people contact me each week - but I choose not to. Why? Maybe because I don't like to be bombarded myself and I was taught to treat others the way I would like to be treated. Even the ones who specifically ask to be put on my list, receive an explanation that I don't have a list. They are free to contact me anytime about the programs I put up and they can track my site and blogs but I don't actively contact my 'contacts'.
However, this one time I did. I sent out an e-mail to over a hundred people, explaining to them why The Advertising Gold Mine was such a good deal. I am now sorry I did so.
This is part of what I just posted on MMG forum:
... this one is for good recruiters after all.
I was so excited about the idea of guaranteed cycling but without the earnings of every second / fourth / sixth etc bronze position, there is just no way my earnings can keep up with my subscription payments anymore.
I'm sure there are heavy hitters out there who are making a fortune from the renewal bonuses alone but I'm not one of them. I had 10 refs but I only have 6 left now. I have noticed the total membership drop from time to time (stats on home page) but I had not expected to be one of the people leaving ......
I am not a good recruiter at all - maybe I'm just too honest for that because I simply cannot hype up a program with a clear conscience, without knowing for certain what it will do for the ones I recruit. I am now sorry I even tried. And I'm sorry for the other non-recruiters I got involved here. Another lesson learnt - I stink at MLM!
So here it is: my heartfelt apology for attempting to drag you into 'the next best thing'. I promise it won't happen again.
woensdag 12 augustus 2009
GNI not going private yet!
GNI staff has let the membership know that they are able to handle a larger total amount of money now, and that they will be able to accept new members for a longer time than expected.
From the latest update:
"It is understandable that persons which include active members as well as those who have just heard about GNI are concerned that they will not be able to get their deposit level(s) up to that which they want by a certain date which we have thrown around in both the newsletter and our sponsored forum. Technology, being what it is, has cleared a significant amount of room for those who trade for and on behalf of GNI and its clients. As such, we don't anticipate a closing date prior to December 1st; a more likely time-frame will be sometime in the first quarter of 2010.
We Understand EVERYONE'S concerns. This decision, however, is made at the Administrative/Principal level to include all the partners at GNI. The date that is selected will be predicated on several factors, none of which are relevant at this time, for this newsletter. We will give all of you PLENTY of advanced notice before implementing and change of this magnitude."
So, once we 'hit the ceiling' so to speak, GNI will not only be closed to new members, but there will also be only limited space for new deposits from existing members. New deposits will only be possible if someone decided to withdraw their deposit, thus making room for some more fresh funds.
Deposits can be withdrawn after 30 days at GNI. Minimum investment is $50 but there is also a so-called 'rollover' plan with a minimum of only $3 - a nice piggy bank to work yourself up to the $50 required for the weekly fixed plan.
My return here is over 300% already and I will definitely put in some more before GNI goes private. If you are interested, now would be the time to check it out! (Please select MyGirl123 as your sponsor if you wish to be in my downline.)
From the latest update:
"It is understandable that persons which include active members as well as those who have just heard about GNI are concerned that they will not be able to get their deposit level(s) up to that which they want by a certain date which we have thrown around in both the newsletter and our sponsored forum. Technology, being what it is, has cleared a significant amount of room for those who trade for and on behalf of GNI and its clients. As such, we don't anticipate a closing date prior to December 1st; a more likely time-frame will be sometime in the first quarter of 2010.
We Understand EVERYONE'S concerns. This decision, however, is made at the Administrative/Principal level to include all the partners at GNI. The date that is selected will be predicated on several factors, none of which are relevant at this time, for this newsletter. We will give all of you PLENTY of advanced notice before implementing and change of this magnitude."
So, once we 'hit the ceiling' so to speak, GNI will not only be closed to new members, but there will also be only limited space for new deposits from existing members. New deposits will only be possible if someone decided to withdraw their deposit, thus making room for some more fresh funds.
Deposits can be withdrawn after 30 days at GNI. Minimum investment is $50 but there is also a so-called 'rollover' plan with a minimum of only $3 - a nice piggy bank to work yourself up to the $50 required for the weekly fixed plan.
My return here is over 300% already and I will definitely put in some more before GNI goes private. If you are interested, now would be the time to check it out! (Please select MyGirl123 as your sponsor if you wish to be in my downline.)
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